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RUDD GIVES BOAT PEOPLE PRIZE THEY WANT

How’s this for a deal? You get a guarantee of swift re-settlement in Australia provided you get off the Oceanic Viking in Indonesia and don’t further embarrass Prime Minister Rudd. It seems that the objective of Australian policy is no longer to prevent unauthorised arrivals; it’s to avoid humiliating Kevin Rudd.

This is the deal that Australian officials have offered in writing to the Sri Lankans who have effectively taken over the Oceanic Viking: people whom the UN High Commission has already found to be refugees will be re-settled in Australia within six weeks; and people not yet processed by the UNHCR but found to be refugees will be resettled here within 12 weeks. All they have to do in return is get off the boat in Indonesia so the Prime Minister’s political nightmare ends. The UNHCR typically finds that a big majority of boat people are refugees. The issue is how quickly they can be re-settled. By promising to resettle people in Australia within three months, Kevin Rudd has given the boat people the prize they want. It’s actually a much better deal than they would have had at Christmas Island where large numbers now mean that processing can take up to 12 months. He gets the issue out of the headlines but only by surrendering.

If poor people in war-torn countries think that arriving in Australia means permanent residency, access to welfare and the ability to bring their families to join them, they will keep coming, quite possibly in much larger numbers. The only way to deter boat people is to avoid any suggestion of an “if you can get here, you can stay here” policy. Australians are not naturally comfortable with boat people spending years in detention centres but it’s probably necessary if people are to be deterred from taking to the sea in leaky boats. Hundreds of thousands of people in camps around Asia are following the saga of the Oceanic Viking weighing what it means for their prospects of a new life in Australia. If these boat people can stare down the prime minister, that all-but-guarantees a boom in people smuggling.

By a combination of temporary visas, off-shore processing, and turning boats around where possible, John Howard stopped the flow. By boasting about how “humane” he was, scrapping temporary visas and closing the centres in Nauru and PNG, Kevin Rudd has renewed this threat to the integrity of our immigration programme and to the security of our borders. Giving in to the people who are effectively holding hostage the Oceanic Viking means the situation is going from bad to worse.
 
 

Hi Tony,

Firstly well done on completing the 1/2 ironman in Port Macquarie a couple of weeks ago.

I am just glad to see that the press are finally starting to hold Kevin Rudd up to some scrutiny. If the Liberal party can now just have the guts to say yes we will bring back the pacific Solution most people will be happy and it will get votes back as the Pacific Solution isn’t any different to processing on Christmas island.

Regards

Jason

Jason of Erina (Reply)
Thu 12 Nov 09 (01:15pm)

Jason - thanks for the cheerio about the half iron man. It was a really tough event, especially limping through the run but what a buzz to finish. As you might have noticed, this morning, Malcolm has just committed a future Coalition govt to restoring temporary visas. This will help to send the right message to the people smugglers and their unfortunate clients - cheers Tony

Tony Abbott
Fri 13 Nov 09 (11:17am)

As an Australian I object very very strongly to let the 78 Tamils into Australia.
They have held an Australian Govnerment ship at ransom and at least one of them is a criminal.
None of those should ever be allowed to set foot in Australia and if they do, You’ll have one less vote Kevin.

roy bird of adelaide sa (Reply)
Thu 12 Nov 09 (03:36pm)

I think a lot of people are very concerned about giving in to moral blackmail

Tony Abbott
Fri 13 Nov 09 (11:18am)

Is there no end to this madness?
All you need do is jump on a boat after paying your money (make sure you have “lost” your papers) ...skuttle the smugglers boat within sight of rescue boat. Take over rescue ship and use blackmail designed to embarrass Mr Rudd you can name your price.Leapfrog over the people who really are too poor and needy to jump the long line waiting to come in.
If anyone dies the press will wet it down and bury it somewhere so it does not embarrass Mr Rudd ...heaven forbid!
This same press that screamed Blue Murder at the children overboard under Mr Howard.
Where is the screaming from the opposition?
I feel very unsafe ...what is the Liberal Party doing to stop this madness ...what can we do to stop it.

chrissy (Reply)
Thu 12 Nov 09 (03:48pm)

These are fair points. Unfortunately, the Liberal Party can’t save the country from opposition....

Tony Abbott
Fri 13 Nov 09 (11:19am)

Perfectly correct, Tony.  Once again the soft lefties of the country have rolled over in their desperate wish to do no harm.  Do no harm, at first, that is.  Everything in this world has Consequences, a word lefties hate to hear.
Like any life form, provide some attraction, some incentive, and the creature approaches and asks for more, human to reptile. All of this rollover will do is flood the Asian chat-waves and more and more will be packing up forever (husbands first) and heading to Australia.  And more specifically, to Australian CITIES.  Well managed, Kev.

Watkins of SEAu (Reply)
Thu 12 Nov 09 (03:59pm)

I fear there’s much in what you say

Tony Abbott
Fri 13 Nov 09 (11:19am)

I would have thought that climate change and how to deal with it would be more important than a handfull of boat people.
As a political opportunist Tony I guess you must have to push on regardless.
Have you ever considered that climate change could be a big factor in delivering more refugees to Australia?
I guess you would be better off taking things one day at a time Tony.
A new motto for te Coalition “ political points first and foremost “

sean of shellharbour (Reply)
Thu 12 Nov 09 (04:15pm)

If climate change is so important, why did the PM take to the airwaves the evening he found out about Newspoll to talk about boat people? It would be good to hear more from Mr Rudd and his ministers about exactly what his ETS will do to Australian jobs and industries without the amendments that the Coalition is proposing

Tony Abbott
Fri 13 Nov 09 (11:21am)

Mr Abbott,

Here is an idea, we have thousands of people misplaced in the Coffs Harbour Region, Thousands of homeless people, waiting lists in Hospitals taking years, unemployment up (Meaning more Centrelink payments) i could go on for ages, why can’t the Australian stop accepting Illegal Refugees and spend the money on Australians and the people who pay taxes?????

It’s really quite simple, the Australian government putting Australians First, second and Last. Once things are the best they can be, then look at saving the worlds problems

Mickstar of Sydney (Reply)
Thu 12 Nov 09 (04:17pm)

We can’t be life raft to the world, you’re right there. We have to take our fair share of the world’s displaced people but that should not mean that anyone who gets here has a right to stay here. 

Tony Abbott
Fri 13 Nov 09 (11:23am)

NICE WORK KEVIE, THE COMMITTEE OF 78 ON THE GOOD SHIP AUSTRALIA HAVE NOW TAKEN OVER OUR IMMAGRATION POLICY.
YOU SHOULD RESIGN TODAY AS WE ARE COMPLETLEY RUDDERLESS.

alan of sydney (Reply)
Thu 12 Nov 09 (04:30pm)

Interesting point. I think a lot of people feel badly let down

Tony Abbott
Fri 13 Nov 09 (11:24am)

Tony,

You can measure the quality of a man when you put him under pressure, Mr Rudd failed miserably, slowly the mask is slipping under the very eyes of everyone including his former followers, his former trick to divert the attention to the opposition won’t work this time by asking “What’s the opposition stand on these issue”? he cannot ask these impertinent question because he dismantled the solution and created a problem as you said correctly, this time, there’s no one to blame, nowhere to hide, a test for him that I’m sure will truly expose a FAKE PM. don’t let him get away with it Tony, give it to him plus more.

Aquarian (Reply)
Thu 12 Nov 09 (04:42pm)

Thanks. Yes, you can respect someone you disagree with but, on this one, Mr Rudd has looked ridiculous as well as wrong. A PM claiming to be hard line on people smugglers but humane on their customers just seems confused and desperate to be all things to everyone

Tony Abbott
Fri 13 Nov 09 (11:26am)

It has always been obvious that krudd would back down and admit these people into Australia.He has failed to honour all election promises so far except the hollow SORRY to the aboriginal people, but thats all they got.The only things he will be remembered for is the massive debt he created, the dismantling of border protection,his preoccupation with obtaining a position in the UN and a new carbon tax, which the opposition should veto in the Senate if they have the guts.

Les of silverdale (Reply)
Thu 12 Nov 09 (04:46pm)

Let’s see how things unfold

Tony Abbott
Fri 13 Nov 09 (11:27am)

Tony, the PM has stated that he has turned back (or caused to be turned back) some 92 boats.  I had not heard of this before so can you tell me if it is accurate and how it was done?
Secondly Steven Smith has gone on record as saying that the deal being offered to rid Rudd of his demons is a standard deal.  Has this deal any precedence in Australian negotiations with previous boat people?

Old Man of Cardiff (Reply)
Thu 12 Nov 09 (04:57pm)

I haven’t hear it either and suspect that, if he has made this claim, it will turn out to be a case of turning back the truth rather than the boats

Tony Abbott
Fri 13 Nov 09 (11:28am)


Congratulation Kevin Rudd. If can bring all asylum seeker to Australia and let we all the tax payer work more harder,if we lucky may be we can retire until 80 years old. All the refugees go straight away on pension. I think u want Australia become rubbish country, don’t get me wrong, i’m not racist. But I see Rudd’s govt to goody goody. Somehow I support John Howard govt, they more tough and hard.

gracie of hoxton park (Reply)
Thu 12 Nov 09 (05:15pm)

Yes, my understanding is that the Coalition’s proposed new temporary visa will allow people to work but not to claim welfare.

Tony Abbott
Fri 13 Nov 09 (11:29am)

What is the real reason for the Tamils insisting on landing on Australian soil and rejecting Indonesia?

Are some of them fleeing their country because they may have committed crimes or harboured and assisted terrorists in Sri Lanka, India, Pakistan, Iraq or Afghanistan?

Once the asylum seekers are given Refugee status and Permanent Residency in Western Countries through UN Refugee convention are they then safe from being deported or extradited to their countries of origin to face criminal prosecution for their crimes?

Is this the reason why the Tamils are refusing to disembark in Indonesia because Indonesia is not a signatory to the UN Convention and have the power to return any person who may be alleged to have committed serious crimes to their country of origin?  Of course, Indonesia being a muslim country would tend to assist muslim clients of people smugglers.

What is the future of a peaceful Australia in 5-10 years time?  Another Sri Lanka, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Sudan or other countries with separatists waging war for many years?

This country seems to be hurtling into an abyss and once it reaches its depths there won’t be any turning back.  It took Sri Lanka over 25 years and they only had one other race to content with - the Tamils. 

What chance does Australia have with its diabolical Multicultural ethnic enclaves.

Concerned (Reply)
Thu 12 Nov 09 (05:30pm)

The real curiosity, I think, is why they don’t choose India which is about 40ks away. I imagine it’s because Australia offers the prospect of a much better life....

Tony Abbott
Fri 13 Nov 09 (11:30am)

Mr Abbott,

My understanding was the resettlement deal was not guaranteed to be Australia.

Mr Rudd is not caving into these refugees, that is clear.

The Nauru complex was costing millions per month. If this so called pacific solution worked, your Government would not have spent 400 million building the detention center on Christmas Island in 2005 that did not open till 2007.
So explain to me why Mr Howard had it built at great cost if you already had a solution?
Mr Rudd is simply upgrading this facility at a cost of 40 million and saving tax payers money closing the others.

More facts and less rhetoric Tony.

Christopher.t of Sydney (Reply)
Thu 12 Nov 09 (05:45pm)

Keeping people on the Oceanic Viking or on Christmas Is is not cheap either. And they have been guaranteed re-settlement which means that Australia is the default option when no other country volunteers

Tony Abbott
Fri 13 Nov 09 (11:32am)

Never thought I would agree with you Tony, but what you have mentioned is the fact. This is piracy or hijacking in another form. Ideally, this ship should take it’s cargo to Sri Lanka.

Mike of Sydney (Reply)
Thu 12 Nov 09 (06:08pm)

It’s good that we are on the same page!

Tony Abbott
Fri 13 Nov 09 (11:33am)

Why do we care so much about boat people other than being thankfull that they made it here safely for processing. I think you need to have a plane people policy! You are mearly trying to gather redneck votes. If you dare to answer the following question… What is the approximate percentage of boat people in regards to EVERY person that applies for refugee status in Australia in the latest calendar or any relevant calendar year? Then tell me if that percentage is worth all the fuss, or should we ALL be focusing on other areas of life?

Bionic of Home (Reply)
Thu 12 Nov 09 (06:32pm)

There’s a big difference between people who come safely, legally and with papers by plane (even if they subsequently overstay) and those who come illegally by boat, without papers and at great risk. One is vastly more of a challenge to our border security than the other which is why the line that we don’t worry much about “plane people” so shouldn’t worry about boat people doesn’t strike a chord. 

Tony Abbott
Fri 13 Nov 09 (11:38am)

I have a major problem with this as i have been homeless recently and its near imposable to get housing and assistance when you need it.If we cant help our own people-then why should we be forced to accept people from a million miles away.Thats the fine point for me = how can they go so far and think we dont regognise the intention.IT IS A JOKE .an unaccepable joke.

shaman of padstow (Reply)
Thu 12 Nov 09 (06:53pm)

I can understand why you feel ripped off even though they are rather different issues. People don’t like what they see as over-generous treatment of outsiders when our own people are doing it tough

Tony Abbott
Fri 13 Nov 09 (11:39am)

To think that my uncle who served for over 3 years in WW2 had to wait, on his return, SEVEN years for public housing even though he had a son with severe Cerebral Palsy. My uncle served on a council in a fairly high position all of his life, was a tax payer all of his life. 

He would turn in his grave to find how easy it is for non Australian citizens to obtain so much without giving anything to this country.

It makes me sick.

Louisa of Sydney (Reply)
Thu 12 Nov 09 (06:54pm)

I can understand how you feel although, again, the parallel is not quite perfect.

Tony Abbott
Fri 13 Nov 09 (11:40am)

But what is your policy Tony in relation to boat people? Many people have asked you what you would do in this situation were you in government but you always dodge the question. You always say we wouldn’t get into this situation but you are and what would you do?

roadrunner-31 (Reply)
Thu 12 Nov 09 (07:11pm)

For one thing, as Malcolm said this morning, we’d once more have temporary visas so successful asylum seekers would not have a guarantee of permanent residency

Tony Abbott
Fri 13 Nov 09 (11:41am)

Tony you’ve got to start referring to this for what it is. You’ve heard of the Kangaroo Route and QF1, well this is “Rudd Route 1” - government assisted travel, ocean rescue and queue jumping from S.E. Asia to Christmas Island. Departing frequently.

Angus B. of Mosman (Reply)
Thu 12 Nov 09 (07:20pm)

Fair point

Tony Abbott
Fri 13 Nov 09 (11:42am)

Tony tell me if the Rudd policy is so bad why did the Liberal party vote in support of it then? Why did the coalition give up its pacific solution?
You cant really attack Rudd for a policy that you supported can you? big surprise

Daniel of Sydney (Reply)
Thu 12 Nov 09 (07:29pm)

It wasn’t our policy. Our policy, as you’d be happy to insist upon in different circumstances, was the policy that John Howard put in place

Tony Abbott
Fri 13 Nov 09 (11:43am)

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